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Tub-Thumper - 1. A speaker or preacher who for emphasis thumps the pulpit; a violent or declamatory preacher or orator; a ranter. (from This blog will be a combination of reasoned posting somedays and an occasional rant.
Thursday, May 18, 2006

I don't look at right-wing blogs much. I figure that I get enough of it on fox, the bbc, cnn etc. The right wing blogs tend to parrot what those people are saying but sometimes in a more extreme form. I don't want to fall into simple left/right divisions here so I will say "people involved in dissent".

People involved in many of you surf opposite view sites to see what they are saying? I have been abused on quite a few of them by people who have turned up here, argued and lost and then went to right-wing blogs and abused me thinking it wouldn’t come to my attention (usually one of my readers or commenters has provided the best response).

Another sneaky trick is looking through the archives and then trying to leave a final comment on an old post as if it was a clinching argument. The idea is that no one will notice so all the other comments and the article are usurped because someone got the last word in. Yes, it is childish, but there have been several attempts at this sort of thing on this blog and others I know of.

One person was doing this and then stopped. Someone else seems to be doing it now. Take this example from a Mr. 'Twinklebones', recently added to the end of the post with my first film. It was posted after it was off the front page of the site. This may mean he only came across it at that point but as this site is by no means one of the busiest sites on the web it might have taken a bit of determined searching. Anyway, I now repost the comment...

"I watched your video, 'praise the lord and pass the ammunition'. I loved it.

It was hilarious. I love that song and I have been waiting for an anti war advocate to use it for some kind of creative message. It was very well done.

The parts I liked were the American Battleships (tubthumpers comment..notice the capital letters here?) sailing to Europe to save them from a totalitarian expansionist threat that surely would have enslaved them or murdered them in cold blood.

I also enjoyed the ironic inclusion of the "duck and cover" footage as a satire of those leftists that are impeding efforts to defend against the current totalitarian expansionist tyrants in the middle east that are trying to kill us all.

I have watched it a few times. It really made my day. I'm sharing it with my friends.

(tubthumper comment - did you spot the threat?)

American kids learn to handle weapons at a young age, because we not only have to defend ourselves, we have to bail out the European left* every time they wave around a piece of paper and claim to have established "peace in our time". You can just say thank you as we fly over, if you are able to roll out of your cozy bed."

Where do I begin? For a start my bed isn't particularly cosy (that's a UK spelling). This comment also implies that anyone who disagrees with Bush and Blair is an apologist for Hitler. It misses out that many people believe Bush, Blair, Hitler, Ahmedinajad, Musharaff etc etc to be part of the same breed. Many people fight every day against all of those people.

I have a new post coming next week regarding the oft repeated idea that everyone in Europe should be groveling to the USA for their magnificent benevolence TM. Look out for it. That concept is just as absurd as the british people who still believe that the purpose of the british empire was to civilize the world.

On the whole, I would be more impressed if I thought that this was design on the part of this commenter. I think it is more like mistaking lethargy for strategy.

Also, notice what is going on with the term "totalitarian expansionist threat". You see it the first again where it recurs...he/she mentions irony but clearly has no concept of it.

The general point here is that in the defence of what certain people perceive as freedom they have decided to join together and attack individuals who try to express themselves.

It is a strange mindset. I understand that people are propagandized from day one. I don't understand why seemingly rational people don't break out of it and instead spend all their energies defending the indefensible.

For people who are going to leave comments one month after this post is up in order to debunk it, here is a truncated list of some of the things I have NEVER defended on this site...

  1. Tony Blair
  2. George Bush
  3. Saddam Hussein
  4. Slobadan Milosevic
  5. 9/11
  6. Murder

*describing Neville chamberlain as the European left shows either willful or depressing ignorance

Please look at the previous post if you want a laugh.

posted by michael the tubthumper @ 6:29 pm  
  • At 10:07 pm, Blogger Praguetwin said…

    Glad you are back. Man, if someone leaves a comment on my blog that is more than a week old, you can gaurantee I am not going to see it... well, usually.

  • At 1:13 am, Blogger Binty McShae said…

    I regularly read the Daily Propoganda over here, and I used to read the Daily Mail in the UK... not because my politics lean that way but simply because I don't see the point in only reading the opinions you know you are going to agree with. Plus it's good to vent a spleen at the columnists from time to time.

    To be fair to your commenter, at least he attempted an argument rather than simply resorting to insults... a flawed and naive argument, yes, but better than a flaming...

  • At 8:38 am, Blogger GraemeAnfinson said…

    i like to chime in on the right wing sites from time to time. kind of like listening to top 40 shit on the radio or watching the 700 club. it reminds me of everything i hate. sometimes it pisses me off, but other times I feel good knowing how dumb some smart people are.

  • At 10:21 am, Blogger a rose is a rose said…

    i used to read a few right wing blogs, espeically those in my state, connecticut. i had to stop because i was becomming so very frustrated. they simply don't make ANY sense to me (and i'm sure they feel the same about me - although i am at a loss as to why).

    as far as comments go, every once in a while i will leave a comment on an old post because i JUST now saw it. for blogger comments if you check one of the options, it WILL email you every time you DO get a comment

    and as an american, i do NOT feel europeans owe ME anything

  • At 4:37 pm, Blogger Keir said…

    I very occassionally check out the following hard-right sources:

    New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, BBC...

    Anything to the right of these is so far from the realm of reality that I don't see the usefulness in attempting to comprehend their positions. I understand that we would want to know what anti-social, hyper-aggressive apologists for fascism are thinking, and why. But if you wake up in the morning you're confronted with all of that information; I myself can't rationalize seeking more of it out.

    (Rosemarie Jackowski once said I was living in an ivory tower when I expressed this view. Perhaps. But it's a ground floor, one room, rent controlled kind of tower...)

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About Me: Tub-Thumper - 1. A speaker or preacher who for emphasis thumps the pulpit; a violent or declamatory preacher or orator; a ranter. This blog will be a combination of reasoned posting somedays and an occasional rant. 28 years old, I write and research for a couple of websites and also do my own stuff.
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  • This was a REAL song from World War 2. I was so stunned by it I had to make a movie

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