| Tuesday, February 21, 2006
| SERVING OR NOT?
|Since I was talking in the previous posts (please look again there is a bit of an update) about a disproportionate amount of Scots signing up and being killed this little piece piqued my interest regarding the USA.
Thanks to 1820.org.uk and tinylittledots for this.
I just thought it made interesting reading.
From 1820 and tiny little dots...
"Who is fit to lead this country in war?" Okay - maybe you don't want soldiers in office but the point of hypocrisy is valid enough, and often those who have been in war are the least likely to start them...(PS I don't get the Ted Nugent joke either)
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star withCombat V Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and sevencampaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier’s Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, PurpleHeart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
|posted by michael the tubthumper @ 6:24 pm
I only admire enlisted people if they refuse to fight or go the lengths that people like Howard Zinn or Kurt Vonnegut do to teach from the horrible experience. This list is flawed. I see the point, kind of, but Dems and Republicans?
There is a real point here: are we being asked to admire those who went out and fought in Vietnam, a conflict my generation, in Scotland and throughout the west, actively demonstrated against? 'Hell no, I won't go' was what we supported because the war was an iniquitous piece of imperialism. I won't be the only one to recall Country Joe and the Fish [and how that dates me!] singing 'be the first mom on your block/to have your kid come home in a box.' I see the point about the flabby cowardice of Republican millionaires sending poor Americans, large numbers of them from ethnic minorities, to die and be maimed in Iraq when they wouldn't put their own lives on the line at the front but I feel queasy about applauding those who signed up to the war in Vietnam, to the smell of napalm in the morning.
Look at those numbers will ya? [Beam, beam, beam] Democrats crush, CRUSH the Republicans and the pundits. Thanks for doing the work.
Easy to see the picture when you format the shit into pussy columns.
Ted Nugent is a self proclaimed "hunter". He owns land stocked with game and hosts a couple of "hunting" tv programs. As of yet, the animals have not pulled a Cheney on him.
Stunning, isn't it? I guess that just proves this game is nothing more than the old "Servants vs. Masters".
I want to clarify why i posted this. I am not asking anyone to admire the people who went and fought. that is their own choice. it is merely what was said on 1820 that is before the list....namely...
"Okay - maybe you don't want soldiers in office but the point of hypocrisy is valid enough, and OFTEN those who have been in war are the least likely to start them"
i know - only OFTEN - not always.
Keir - i don't buy the labour/tory republocrat/demican thing at all. i only posted it for reasons outlined above. why do you think the list is flawed?
Delescluze - i am not applaudiung them. just saying
kvatch - i didn't do the work. just reposting
smitty - looking forward to digging through your blogs
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