I voted for Clinton the first time around ('92), then swore off voting completely once I realized what a corporate kiss-asser he was. HOWEVER, after witnessing Bush destroy the world, I have to chose...

(1) Lesser evil

 

a joke thats been doing the rounds here is that 'Tony Blair PM' is an anagram of 'I'm Tory plan B'

 

Got to go with lesser evil as well. After what the Reagan and Bush have done to the world, it is too dangerous to allow those types in office without a fight. I wish the dems would stop being such corporate whores though.

I really wish third parties in the states would have more influence. They seem to be the only ones with the balls to take on corporate america (that is probably why they don't have much influence)

 

I just saw his at
www.schnews.org.uk

CRAP ARREST OF THE WEEK
For Heckling...
No sooner had the words "hooray for the lesser of two evils" left their mouths when 3 hecklers at a John kerry rally in california were arrested. Grabbed by local secret service men, the 3 young men are being charged wuth trespassing, resisting arrest and assaulting a cop. All this for just shouting a slogan. Imagine if they had thrown a pie at the fucker. The case has been going on for well over a year now (with one guy on remand the entire time) but a hearing to have the charges dropped is due this week.

 

Your post has got me thinking. I really don't if anything positive can come from going with the lesser evil all of the time. It will give me something to think about anyway

 

There is no lesser evil...in the big picture. Vote your conscience or don't vote at all. Either way, keep working and struggling outside the electoral system.

That's my two cents. Feel free to bash...but I've heard it all before (in 1996, 2000, and 2004)

 

the lesser evil are only lesser by what they say, not what they actually do so I have to agree with Mickey Z in voting your conscience, and i'm all for peaceful protest too.

 

¡Ay! I take a week off and look at all this reading I have to catch up on...

As for my opinion on the matter: Better than voting is finding a stick. Only hardwoods will do. Cherry or walnut are good, but the best is a burled length of oak. Pine and aspen are no good at all (so if you still live in Colorado sorry). Aim right for the 'W'.

Just kidding (or?), I actually don't think that one can change politics from the top. one must start at the bottom. If you want to see third parties succeed on a national level, you have to install them on the local level. Once local political scenes everywhere have changed to reflect the feelings of the people the top will have no choice but to follow or get out of the way.

I believe that presidential elections and the like are really no more than handy distractions, used to make us feel like we have participated in something important. Better to write in Mickey Mouse than vote for either candidate (you never know he might just win).

 

for what its worth, using the UK as example, every major social change has been from a drive that began at grassroots and moved into parliament but still always involved direct action int the form of civil disobedience and legal demo's , legal action, parliamentary action and all levels of civil society doign something or other.

in UK examples apply this to the suffragettes, the poll tax, the health service, the extension of suffrage and near revolution in 1848 and so on and so on. many things have to be going on at the same time to achieve major social change but they will always eventually fail if one or other group assumes centralised control.

thats my two cents anyway.

 

I might agree flat out to vote your conscience or not at all in a 2 party system. But with 3 it's a much more difficult proposition depending upon the riding.