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Friday, February 03, 2006
I am going out celebrating and am too excited to concentrate on writing anything - see previous post.

Also, now that I have more readers I can repost some of the earlier stuff that no one will have looked at. What with the BNP stuff this week, I think its time to repost this one...

All through the story the immigrants came
The Gael and the Pict, the Angle and Dane
From Pakistan, England and from the Ukraine
We're all Scotland's story and we're all worth the same

(From 'Scotland's Story' by the Proclaimers)

Some of the KKK propaganda cites Scotland as having the 'racial purity' that they long for. Some websites suggest that some of the founding members of the KKK were Scots who had emigrated to the US. Whether this is true or not is beside the point. You can find a few mindless, moronic bigots in any country, or any race or religion. The myth of Scotland being a 'racially pure' country is one I would like to explode if I can.

"The Scottish Nation is generally acknowledged to have come together between the sixth and fourteenth centuries, absorbing several races in the process of creating what certain individuals like to think of as the pure Scot. In fact, there is no such being. The early Scots were a post-Roman Gaelic-speaking people who invaded and settled the west coast, known then as Dalriada, having travelled over the sea from Ireland, and before that, it is fancifully suggested, although not as yet proven, the Middle East."[i]

The proponents of this middle-east link point to the similarities between traditional Scottish and middle-eastern music and instrumentation as evidence. If this is true, and you claim your link to Scottish heritage, then YOU ARE AN ARAB. The possibility of a middle-east link doesn't upset me at all, but if you are a KKK type then you should start thinking. Ha ha.

The burning cross symbol is another thing that various racist groups have tried to attribute to the Scots...

The "Fiery Cross," as KKK groups call it, is vaguely linked to an apparently real Scottish practice immortalized by Sir Walter Scott in his 1810 poem "The Lady of the Lake." But really, the Klan picked it up from the movies.

In Scott's poem, a small, handheld wooden cross is carried from village to village to announce a meeting of the clans for war. The cross was fiery only at first; it was extinguished with the blood of a sacrificial animal before making the rounds as a charred object. (Most likely it was the X-shaped cross of St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland.)

Scott's story was copied by Thomas Dixon for his bizarre 1905 novel "The Clansman," a highly romanticized tale of the original, pre-Civil War KKK. Obsessed with the incorrect notion that the KKK had been founded by secret Scottish group, Dixon had them carrying the Fiery Cross around.[ii]

I don't know if this is true. Maybe it was used as a way for the clans to meet for war. If it was, there is still a difference between that and a group of cowardly thugs using it to intimidate an innocent person.

In the 19th century there was another wave of Irish immigration and in the earlier part of the 20th there were many new waves of immigration from Poland (to get away from Hitler), Italy (to get away from Mussolini) and Lithuania (for all sorts of reasons). Most of the Lithuanians changed their names to make them more Scottish.

After WW2 new groups arrived from India, Pakistan, China and surrounding countries and the Caribbean. In the later part of the 20th century there have been more people coming from Africa. They are all welcome.

Apparently 'Braveheart' is required viewing at some of the KKK meetings. I would like to spoil the fun by pointing out that the majority of it is not true.

Now I am more of flag-burner than a flag-waver but I also see that the Scottish flag is being used by these people...

ONE of the fastest-growing white supremacist groups in the United States has hijacked the Saltire [the Scottish flag) to symbolise its struggle for a political system run by Celtic "kith and kin".

Scottish tourists visiting Florida and the southern states on holiday have been warned that displaying Scotland's national flag on their clothes now runs the risk of association with the extremist followers of the League of the South.

Kate Smith, who is researching nationalism at Glasgow University, said: "I think the league's hijacking of the Saltire could cause the average American citizen to confuse our nation's flag with right-wing extremism."[iii]

This seems to be a parallel with what happened to the Swastika, which, before Hitler hijacked it was an Indian symbol promoting good luck.

Whilst this nation has its problems with racism just like anywhere else, some of us are trying to deal with them. One of the steps in this is to explode the myth of Scotland as a pure-white country and a haven for racists. It isn't. We don't want your false history, false propaganda, displaced anger and vile attitudes foisted onto us. This country is, has been and always will be a country of immigrants. We like it that way.

p.s. I would like to point out that the 'celtic' in my profile is the football (soccer) team, not the historical stuff.
posted by michael the tubthumper @ 3:23 pm  
  • At 6:51 pm, Blogger rev. billy bob gisher ©2005 said…

    i was gonna say, there is little pure about scotland, except some of the finer beverages.

  • At 1:07 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…

    still testing. sort it out blogger people!!

  • At 1:14 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…


  • At 1:42 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…

    this one is anonymous (but from D.K.)

    ya know, most of these billy-bob rednecks here wouldn't know the difference between the Scottish Flag and toilet paper. I don't think even floridians would mistake a scots tourist wrapped in a flag for a clansman unless he was also sporting a swastika tatoo on his forehead.

    also, since you quoted them, maybe you can clear up if The Proclaimers are beloved in their homeland. I love them, but SNL did such loopy parodies of them that I kind of got the idea they were a bit of joke to scots. So which is it ... national treasures or ? D.K.

    AND I ADD - the proclaimers have a following here yes but they are not huge or anything.

  • At 1:46 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…

  • At 1:47 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…

    oops...i will try that again... this is from a rose is a rose is a rose (link above)

    thanks for reposting this. it was fascinating. i know so little of history (of any kind).

    I SAY - Cheers!

  • At 9:10 pm, Blogger GraemeAnfinson said…

    I doubt people in the southern part of the US even know where Scotland is.

    I didn't know about the middle eastern link to Scotland. My great grandparents moved from Scotland to Canada in the late 1800's. My grandfather is quite knowledgeable about his Scottish roots, I will have see if he has heard that.

  • At 8:11 am, Blogger Binty McShae said…

    I know about the ME link to Scotland. The story goes that we actually originate from a Nomad tribe in India who travelled through the Middle East, Northern Africa, up through Spain and France, then Cornwall, Ireland and eventually Scotland.

    The name 'Scotland' theoretically comes from a Spanish 'princess' who married a Nomad 'Prince' - her name is reputed to have been Scotia.

    This naming is unlikely, although looking at a migration over a hundred or more years it is not unfeasible that Scotlands roots are from the Indian sub-continent. Many Irish and west-coast Scots have very dark features, the more blonde side coming from Norse invaders and red hair probably from the Picts. And although Scots music sounds nothing like Indian if you trace it back step by step.... Scots sounds like Irish, which in turn sounds like Cornish, through the celtic regions of France and Spain, etc.... you can see a progression.

    Incidentally, this probably does not mean we are descended from Arabs as the Indians (and many Middle Easterners) are actually the original Aryans. That's right, Indians are Aryan. As are Iranians (where do you think Iran got it's name from?).

    Regardless of that those KKK scum bastards can kkkiss my arse! Leave Scotland out of your filthy bigotted views. You now that some of them have appropriated the kilt too - fuckers!

  • At 2:20 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…

    interesting binty.

    scots music is on the pentatonic scale and so is a lot of indian music.

    and graeme, the national sport of scotland is emigrating

  • At 7:46 am, Blogger Binty McShae said…

    National sport = emigrating? Hmmm.... I am not really in a position to disagree with that, methinks!

  • At 2:07 pm, Anonymous declan said…

    I have read in mythical accounts of a tribe who refused to persecute the Israelites in Ejypt and later travelled across North Africa to the Iberian penninsula, from whence one of their leaders spotting a land away on the horizon made a voyage to investigate. In this way these people made contact with their predecessors on the island the Aboriginies, the Firbholg and their Gods. After some trickery and tom foolery, and a second voyage the two tribes intermingled and peacefully coexisted. I may have this all mixed up and must recheck my sources, but it makes for interesting mythical reading and postulation. Good post. regards from dubh linn

  • At 3:18 pm, Blogger michael the tubthumper said…

    thanks declan

    let me know what you manage to find out or put some links on or something

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